#003: Open concept: I knocked out a wall, now what??

EP 03 TRANSCRIPT

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Cara: 00:00 You're listening to make space. Episode number three.

Intro: 00:22 Welcome to make space a home design show made to inspire you to create spaces you truly feel at home in Cara Newhart' sits down with amazingly brilliant gas for conversations that dive deeper than Pin-worthy rooms. To tease out the essentials of creating spaces that feed your soul and inspire your creativity from home design strategies to decor, advice to interior design, tips and tricks. These conversations help you dream up a beautifully lived in home. Cara is the designer and chief creative enthusiasts behind Never Skip Brunch. Her work has been featured in print publications like people style watch and Denver Style magazine as an influencer. Cara has collaborated with brands like Amazon, H&M, Twitter and Thrillist. Here's your host, Cara Newhart.

Cara: 01:23 Hey guys, it's Cara and welcome to make space. Um, today we're talking about a topic I am so excited about. If there's one topic that is super, super frequent in my dms, it is open floor plans. So today I'm finally sitting down to give you my tips and share a little bit about, um, what I think about open floorplans open concept, whether or not it's right for you and then how to make it work for you. But before we dive in to that, it's time to talk about that new new, .

Cara: 01:55 Okay. So there's not much new this week. If you missed it last week we opened up a Facebook group for everyone to hop in so we can talk about the episodes. But this week I just want to remind you to rate and review. You can do this on apple podcast or anywhere you listened to your podcast, Google play, stitcher, Spotify. The reason this is helpful is it's going to bump us up in the algorithm, help other people find us a few like the podcast. Make sure to share that. At least scroll down and give it some stars if you didn't want to ride or a view. Um, but we did get a question about how to review in terms of whether reviews are for each episode or this show as a whole. It is for the show as a whole. Please don't take the time to write a review after each episode.

Cara: 02:42 Just write it once and then if you change your mind, I guess you could submit another. But yeah, it's kind of a one time situation. You don't have to do it every week. But thank you for doing that. Thanks for helping share feedback and helping other people find our show. Okay, so let's into this topic because I know it's what you guys really want to hear about. So the title of this episode is open concept. I knocked out a wall. Now what? So this episode is for people that are either trying to decide between an open floor plan and kind of more a traditional closed off floor plan or who um, have an open floor plan that feels to open. So maybe you knocked out a wall and you don't really love how it looks or maybe you kind of bought a house and you don't love the open concept as much as you thought you would.

Cara: 03:34 Um, so I'm going to share some tips for how to like partition it a little bit. And make it feel a little more structured, um, and less wide, wide open. So first let's talk about why they are so popular. Because I feel like every makeover you see on Hgtv, it's like people are either looking for an open floor plan on their checklist or the second they buy a house they're like knocking out a wall. Which really at one point like watching shows, I would just like try to predict which wall they were going to knock out because like you knew it was coming. So why is this such a big trend? First of all, as we've moved from houses with smaller rooms and smaller spaces that are more partitioned, there was like basically a room for everything, right? You have like a living room and a family room and a dining room and there's a room for every kind of activity you're doing in the house.

Cara: 04:28 And now with the way our lifestyles have changed and with the way homes have changed, we've kind of moved to more multipurpose spaces. So we have spaces that we can be doing a lot of things in. Um, so basically the idea is like that's have a bigger space and make it multi-use versus have, um, activities restricted to certain rooms. So this makes sense to an extent. So I guess I have to preface all of this by saying that I am definitely a person that bought an open floor plan house, like our dining room, our living room and our kitchen are the same room. It is one giant rectangle and there's not really any clear partitions. So I've learned from experience not only how to partition the space, but also I've learned that I don't really love the full open concept. I wish there was a little more um, kind of structural things that partition the room versus some of the things I've done, like furniture and rugs.

Cara: 05:27 So we'll get to all of that. But like, just so you know, where I'm coming from is I bought an open concept house and I don't love it as much as I thought I would. So diving into like why open concept homes are so popular? I think it's because it makes for a great before and after. Like in terms of what we're watching on TV, when you knock out a wall, like that's a huge transformation and it does visually open up the space in a really dramatic way. So that is ideal a before and after reveal and it is really visually appealing. But there's other practical reasons I feel like some of the design shows don't always dive into in terms of why you might not want an open floor plan. Usually it's just like, let's make this space bigger, let's knock out some walls and they don't really dive into like why you might like the walls there are, why would you could do kind of like maybe a happy medium versus like opening the full space up.

Cara: 06:24 So isn't open concept right for you? Um, some pros to an open concept is that the space does feel large. It helps a small space feel bigger. If you're in a small house that has, um, a lot of smaller rooms, it might make more sense to just open it up and make one bigger multiuse space versus feeling confined in all these little tiny rooms. Um, and it does maximize sight lines, which is really great for entertaining or when your kids are little and you want to be able to like get some chores done and still be able to see them. Um, I do like that when I have people over, I don't really have to like finish all the cooking or all the preparing of things in the kitchen before people come over. Like they can just come over and come into the kitchen with me and grab a glass of wine or even like take a seat on the couch and I can still talk to them from the kitchen.

Cara: 07:19 So there isn't like an entertaining aspect that makes it really nice because you don't have to like be in the kitchen away from your guests. Um, which is something that the older homes with all the partition spaces kind of struggled with you or like off on an island and you were out of the conversation and kind of working instead of able to like be engaged. So those are the main pros with an open floor plan for us choosing it. Um, we didn't have a ton of choice because we built a house and basically all of the floor plans were different versions of open concept. Um, some of them were like an l shape where you had the kitchen in the corner and then like a room on either side for the dining room and then the living room. And then ours is basically a huge rectangle.

Cara: 08:06 It's just a really long room. And then it just goes from like living room to dining room to kitchen. So in our area with building that was like all that was offered. You couldn't really get a closed off space. Really think about it that hard. We kind of just looked at homes and assumed we would like it. Um, but some of the cons that I've noticed is number one, the noise. If I'm in the kitchen and I'm cooking and clanking, which let's be real, I'm not the one in the kitchen. Usually it's rich and I'm in the living room. Um, but if you're running a blender or cooking or doing something loud, then you can hear it in the living room. So whoever's trying to like play it or watch TV, there's a lot of noise coming in and vice versa. Like if someone's sitting on the couch watching a show and they have the volume, then it's coming through all the way to the kitchen.

Cara: 08:58 So if you're trying to have a conversation or have some screen free time with snacks in the kitchen, um, you can hear all of this stuff going on in the living room. So for us, what gets on my nerves about that is in the evenings we let Ella Watch TV and have screen times. So there is like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, Barbie Mermaid, like Eddie kind of kid show, like just coming right in noise wise into the kitchen. So I'm kind of wishing it was a little more partitioned so that she could like watch her show and rich and I could be having a conversation and we wouldn't be having to listen to, um, the kid show noise. Now there's probably things we could do better like giving her an iPad and some headphones, but I kind of like, you know that she can kind of play while watching TV that she's not totally zoned into the screen.

Cara: 09:47 So that's the other reason I want her to be able to like watch the regular TV but not quite be in the kitchen with us. Um, so another con for me as change of scenery, we are living most of our home life in the same room. Like the living room is kind of where we hang out most evenings where Ella has a bunch of toys, then we eat at the table and the dining room and we are cooking or preparing food in the kitchen. So we're in the same room like all evening. Now there's exceptions obviously when we go to bed or if we go downstairs to like really queue up a movie or ride the Peloton. But for the most part we're in the same room. Like there's no change of scenery necessarily. I kind of wish I kind of liked that about older houses that are more partitioned is like you get to change it up and like go to a totally new room.

Cara: 10:35 And for me being like a really visual person, I think I kind of need visual variants to keep me happy. So might not be a struggle for everyone. But that's something I don't love about open concept floor plans. Um, and then my third con is it is a fire hazard. So this is something I didn't actually know at first, but walls contain the spread of fire. So if you're, you have a cooking fire in your kitchen or something else catches on fire, it's actually going to spread slower if there are walls to contain it, which is why you like keep the door shut and like feel the handle and all of that fun fire safety stuff. But I'm more open space means the fire's actually going to spread faster. And there was some crazy statistic which I really should have looked it up so I could cite it and get it right.

Cara: 11:24 I will try to link in the show notes, but it was something like you used to have around 17 minutes to escape your home in the event of a fire and now you have something like three to five which is crazy. So yeah, that's a little scary about um, open concept. Not that that should like dictate your home entirely because I feel like fire technology has come a long way like building materials and safety measures and all of that. So I don't think it's necessary to let fires safety dictate like your entire floor plan. But it's just an interesting fact if you are more prone to fires or if that's something you're really concerned about. It's kind of just an added con to the open concept floor plan. So if you are still deciding between an open concept and then a more traditional or closed off floor plan, I hope those tips were helpful and I hope they kind of guide you as you make that decision in terms of what's right for you.

Cara: 12:24 Just some good things to think about. But let's dive in and talk about how to partition an open concept space. Because I do think the decision is a little more nuance than like open or closed. Um, I feel like there are some perks to an open floor plan and just to make it work for you. There's a lot of things you can do to make sure you're really utilizing that space to fit your lifestyle and kind of making sure it is multipurpose like through and through. So you can eliminate some of those cons and you can make sure you're getting all the perks of an open space with some of these tips. So here are some of my secrets to dividing open spaces without using walls. So let's say you're open space is a little too open, um, to where it feels kind of cluttered or maybe a little bit confused.

Cara: 13:13 There are actually a lot of things you can do to restructure your space so that you keep the perks like light and open flow. But you don't have to like throw up walls to do that. Okay. So basically there are three places for you to visually define your room without putting up walls and like actually defining new rooms. You have the floor, you have the ceiling and you have the walls. So these are the surfaces that you have to work with in order to create some visual separation without having like physical separation. So let's start with the floor. And my easiest tip here is to use rugs to define rooms. Rugs give you visual start and stop points within a room. So it looks like you have separate areas within one big room. You want to make sure you're getting large enough rugs to really define the space and because it's still one room, you want to pay attention to how the rugs coordinate with each other.

Cara: 14:12 So you're not going to put like one crazy pattern rug over here. And then another clashing pattern over there. If you do like a big square rug for your living room, you could do like a coordinating circle rug for your breakfast nook or something where they feel like they fit together but they don't exactly have to be like the exact same rug. The other really important element of defining your room in terms of the floor is the furniture layout. So you can use this in conjunction with the rugs to create different groups of furniture within a room instead of one big open area. So a lot of people are good at this in terms of like having a sectional kind of split off the room. But I've also seen big spaces where the furniture is just kind of like hugging the walls, which is like a terrible interior design disease or we just want to put things against the wall because it's easy.

Cara: 15:04 Um, but really thinking about like how you can group things differently. For example, if you have a really huge like living room, great room space, you don't have to have just one seating or conversation area. You could have like a little furniture grouping over by the fireplace with like maybe a small couch, a couple of chairs, and then a separate furniture grouping maybe over on the wall where you have your TV. So people can be doing multiple things in the same space. You could have, you know, the fireplace is more for conversation sitting down, hanging out the other furniture grouping over by the TV as maybe a little more for um, watching games together, watching your favorite shows or movie night, whatever it is. So in, within one big room, even if you don't have like a huge room that can fit like multiple couch areas, it might be as simple as like a little seating area with a couple like a cafe table and two chairs.

Cara: 16:01 But just thinking about how within your big space, kind of what you're using it for in terms of different things and then arranging your furniture. So there's clearly defined areas for different activities, whether that's a game table, an an eating table, a seating area, a homework area, whatever it is. Um, it might not just be one big thing like one seating area, one eating area. You might have multiple of each if that makes sense. So thinking about using rugs and using furniture to actually group things within the room. So you've created different areas where at otherwise was one big space. So furniture is really the most functional way you can kind of partition your space because you're actually using it and sitting on it. Um, but there's other ways that you can add visual separation. So the next space that you have to work with is the ceiling.

Cara: 16:55 Now most people, myself included like a white ceiling which keeps the space feeling tall. You get that bright and airy look. So while colored ceilings or even ceilings with patterns are kind of on trend, you might not be wanting to touch your ceiling in terms of like creating visual separation with different colors on the ceiling. But what you can do is add architectural features like Trey ceilings or beams to kind of define the space. So beams are really good because you don't have to really change the structure of your house like a tray ceiling. You have to like lift the ceiling. You might have to be moving electrical like that could get expensive, but beams a lot of times can be just placed on your existing ceiling. They have beams that are purely decorative and not structural, um, that are really light and easy to install.

Cara: 17:46 So a beam, um, like a decorative wood beam can be a really good way to kind of partition rooms. Like if you have your kitchen running into your living room, you could put a beam across the ceiling to kind of visually drop the ceiling where one room stops and the other starts. So you can also change the color and texture of your ceilings if you like that look or if the ceilings are different heights. Um, you can do that to create visual separation. So I've seen like a kitchen and a great room. The great room has a huge ceiling. The kitchen has a more standard like eight to nine foot ceiling. And what they did was they left it all white, but they put like beat board or shiplap type boards on the kitchen ceiling. Um, which really created kind of variants in texture from the great room ceilings.

Cara: 18:33 So that's another way to kind of help visually partition your space. And then the last surface that you have to work with is the walls. So there's a ton of options for partitioning your space using the area on the walls. So some things are just visual and some things are actually like more of a physical separation that can go away. So for example, number one is open shelving. So open shelving is a really flexible way to separate your rooms if your space is feeling to open. So this is actually going to give you the illusion of two rooms, but you're not going to sacrifice the connection of the spaces and light coming through the space. So this is important. If you have like a window and you want to keep the room bright airy, you can do um, some open shelving. So the light's still flows through.

Cara: 19:22 I'm a pro tip for styling open shelves is to not fail. Every shelf keeps some of them as simple keeps some of the shelves open so that you have kind of those visual sight lines through the shelving into the other room and that's going to help and not feel busy and it will help maintain that light and that connection. So shelving works if you actually do want like a physical partition but you don't want to throw up a wall or you don't want to pay for a wall, you can use open shelving to actually give you like a physical partition that's a little less expensive and still makes the room feel connected versus like actually separate rooms. The next option is a room divider or screen. So this is probably one of the least expensive and easiest because it doesn't really require any type of installation and it's like fully removable.

Cara: 20:14 So if you want just a little bit of visual separation, just grab one of those little room dividers. I think even target has some with their like spring summer collection. It's a good way to test out if you like the separation. It's not going to do much in terms of reducing noise. It can help give you a little separation and it's a good way to like test run to see if you like that. Okay. The next option is curtains usually hung from the center of the room, like across the room in the area that you want to partition. So these are more flexible than furniture division like shelving. Um, you can use them to create coziness and you're going to want to opt for like a heavier drape if you want more separation or you could do like a see through sheer if you want to preserve the light and you don't need like a ton of separation.

Cara: 21:06 So I've seen this done in studio apartments if you want to obviously like separate off the bedroom and then also between like a kitchen and a dining room. It's a way to add like a lux feel 'em for entertaining. You can close them once you're done in the kitchen and you move to the dining space. So you don't have to like look into the kitchen to see the mess of dishes or anything going on in there. So these would just be a ceiling curtain rod. It could go all the way across the room so they're fully closable or just come in a little bit on the sides to give the illusion of kind of like a smaller opening and a little bit of partition if curtains aren't really enough for you. Another structural option is windows and sliding doors. So interior windows can help create visual connection, but they can also help block some noise.

Cara: 21:58 Um, and even like cooking smells from the kitchen. So these could be like Florida ceiling windows. I know like black pained ones are kind of trending right now. This is going to help maintain that line between the rooms and even maintain the light, but it's going to help cut down on noise and it's going to help with giving you a physical separation of this space. So then another option is sliding doors. So these are easy to switch back and forth. Like you can partition the room or you can keep it open and you get that flexibility versus a wall where it's like closed or no wall where it's open. So this is, you can have more privacy than a curtain in terms of like partitioning off the space. Um, I've seen them with like a shutter style, so like multiple kinds of nesting sliding doors, if that makes sense.

Cara: 22:49 Where there's like panels and they can slide across the room or there's also more of a barn door style. I've seen this work for like really large cased openings. So there is a huge open area where like a wall has been taken out, but you can actually slide kind of like a barn door across the front, whether it's like modern or more rustic looking, um, to partition this space. So my final tip for partitions using walls is to use color or patterns. So this works really good if you have one of those cased, opening type looks because you can change colors between rooms. Um, it doesn't work so good if there's no case to opening. Like in my house where it's totally one big room, you don't want like a random line where the colors just suddenly change in the middle of the room. Um, so with cased openings it's nice because there's a drop in, there's like maybe some little kind of walls going in and you already have kind of structural elements of it being two separate spaces, but then painting them is just going to help accentuate that and really accent the fact that there are two rooms just connected.

Cara: 23:58 You could also do this with like wallpaper and the color versus just two different colors of paint. But I think the key here is you're looking for like some sort of structural division in your room. Whether that's like a little like tiny, tiny wall, you know like a column that might pump out or something to where there's a clear line for your color to stop versus you just arbitrarily like drawing a line on the ceiling or wall. You want to make sure there's some kind of structural aspect where the color change isn't going to be. All the sudden it's gonna make sense. Like, oh, this is two spaces. They're just very open to each other. So those are all my tips for partitioning and open concept floor plan. I hope this was super helpful because I know a lot of you have been telling me you're struggling with the fact that you've got an open concept and now it feels to open, how do you partition it without making it feel closed? So those are all my best tips. Think about those three surfaces, the floor, the ceiling and the walls, and then pay attention to some of the structural elements in your room and let those guide you as you, I'm kind of pick up some of these tips and decide which ones are right for you.

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Cara: 26:25 So the thing that I am obsessed with this week is honestly like not that revolutionary. It's not going to blow your mind like the key chain bracelet did. Cause I know that that did, but this week is just a paint color and by just a paint color, I mean only my new favorite pink killer ever. It is called and it is from bear and it is amazing. It is like a deep, deep green, which really is funny because usually I'm not into a dark colors and be green, but I'm really loving this color. And the reason I'm loving it is because it's pretty seasonless. So like during the summer, it's looking really good with all my tropical leaves I have that are fake, but all around my house. Um, I don't know if you've seen like where you have a big vase with like one large tropical leaf coming out of it.

Cara: 27:20 Um, but this really coordinates well with like greenery. Even though the greenery is brighter, it can still like pop against this color and it looks kind of like lively for being as dark as it is. But I also see it going really good in the fall with like orange, um, around Christmas obviously because it's green, it'll be like a nice deep hue to contrast with some red or even some like white cause I like to do a lot of white decor. Um, and then in the spring you can put like a fun bright floral against it. So it's kind of one of those colors you can use as a neutral. Like I use navy straight up as a neutral. It's basically like the jeans version of color where it just goes with everything. So this is like a nuanced version of that because it is green instead of blue, but it's still like a really good whew for like a lot of things.

Cara: 28:13 So if you're interested in like a darker tone or you need something that's like you want to incorporate color into your house but you don't like all of my crazy bright colors and he wants something a little more muted, definitely check this color out, grab you a sample and let me know what you think because I'm obsessed. I'm, which is, this is the first like dark ish color I've really loved, I usually like light and bright and like be saturated happy colors like pink and yellow. But I'm really loving this. I'm so let me know what you think. [inaudible]

Cara: 28:49 wait, what? So the thing that we just have to talk about this week are old trends that are making a comeback. So vintage is in, I mean I think it's always been in just different versions of vintage, but right now obviously with the mid century modern thing being really popular and a lot of like even 70s vibe to core is coming back. There's a little bit of nine days, which I'm not onboard with because I like was alive then. So it's less interesting to me to be doing something I've already seen growing up versus like 70 stuff in 50 stuff I wasn't around for. Um, so basically there's a lot circling back around a lot of vintage stuff coming back. So today we have to talk about this article I found that is five weird old trends. I'd love to see make a comeback. So I was surprised about how many of these I was onboard with.

Cara: 29:45 I like saw the article and I was like, no, it's going to tell me stuff that just should not be coming back. But I'm, I'm on board with four out of five, which is kind of surprising. So let's go through them and I will tell you my thoughts about them and then you can obviously tell me your thoughts because these trends I feel like are things you either love or you hate. Like I honestly don't think they're things that people are like on the fence about. I think you see it and you're like, yes or you're like no. So number one is colored bathroom fixtures and this is like pink tubs or blue sinks or basically colored fixtures that aren't just like the creamy white porcelain that we now have everywhere. Um, I've seen some black tubs come back and some more like modern spaces and I'm here for this with one exception.

Cara: 30:40 I don't like dark colored fixtures. Like I remember growing up my grandma had like a dark, dark brown, maybe black toilet and that thing scared the shit out of me. Like literally I would not pee in it, I would not sit down. I would like hover like you're doing a Porta potty cause it was dark in there and you just didn't know what was happening. So I am not on board for like black dark dark fixtures, but I could see like a pink tub or like, you know, kind of like the pastel tones. I could see those being really cute again like there that with like some pattern tile or just kind of like some white and have that be your pop of color. Like that could totally be in a modern bathroom and look really good. Um, you know, who would do it well is grace from, I think our handles like a storied style on Instagram.

Cara: 31:34 She has an HGTV show, um, and she is really into pops of color. So she's a designer. I could see really styling these well. So I'm going to say for this one, yes, I am onboard. Number two is conversation pits. So this is basically when like the living room furniture area is like sunken into the floor. Um, so if you haven't seen these, I think there are popular in the 70s, maybe the fifties or sixties. I don't know. I wasn't alive. If I'm totally off, let me know. But, um, I saw a modern version of this last year when I was in New York City for New York fashion week. So I was actually at an event for the model squad episode Premiere, which if you haven't seen it, it's basically like a reality TV show that you follow around all these different supermodels. Um, so we had like a chat with the models and then we all watched the premiere of the one of the episodes together.

Cara: 32:35 So the room we watched it in had one of these conversation pets. Like in the middle there is like a sunken in area where you had to walk downstairs, um, from the like other main floor like down into this area with like couches and places to sit. And then there was like little tables like cocktail tables with snacks on them and then um, you could see like the screen. So I, besides the fact that the carpet was like red, I was so into this. I like the, I like the conversation but I think it's cool. It's like a different way to change up the levels. There's obviously like a more subtle version of this, which is when like you just kind of stepped down a couple steps into a different room. But this thing is full on like when you are sitting in the pit on the couch, like the, the floor above you is like at shoulder or like head height.

Cara: 33:30 Like it is tall. So they're really sunken down in there. But I like these. I S I could see him coming back. Um, they are more like mid mod modern he vibe. I don't think they'd go with like a farmhouse style or something like that. More rustic. But I'm liking these. So let me know what you think. I feel like this is one, people are going to be like, um, no. [inaudible] I don't like that. Let me know your thoughts. Um, next up is colorful cabinets in the kitchen. So this for me as obviously a yes, first of all, I love color, but it's also something that's already been coming back. Like I've been loving like the teal, the navy. I'm like royal blue, even cabinets. And I especially like when the island is different colored, like it's a really good way to add a pop if you want to do like all of your cabinets in like a white or like a gray.

Cara: 34:25 Um, and then do the island in like a fun color. It kind of coordinates and Tizen without it being like overly colorful. So this is something I'm loving. I think it's a good way to be brave because it's easy to paint your cabinets. And the kitchen that I really love that has this actually is my blogger friend Tabitha. She redid her whole kitchen. It is so cute. She has like open shelves and some different cabinetry. But then by her fridge she has like teal cabinets. So it's a big like bold pop of Teal. Um, but the space is otherwise pretty small. So I don't think she did teal like everywhere in the kitchen, but it looks really good. I'll put a picture of that in the show notes. You can check it out. So yeah, I'm loving colored cabinets because I love color, but I also love just like a pop of color on some of the cabinets versus the whole entire kitchen.

Cara: 35:17 Number four is a wall mounted refrigerator. So this honestly I had not even seen before. Basically it's mounted up where the cupboards are like at eye level. So your cabinets would literally open up and be like, it almost looked like multiple little mini fridges like mounted up high, but kind of like blended in more like a cupboard. It didn't totally look like a fridge on the door. I kind of see the allure because I see how it could be handy to have everything I level, but I don't know, when I first saw it I was just like, no, I don't like that. I prefer kind of a more regular upright fridge that's maybe hidden behind a big cabinet door. So it looks built in when it's kind of trimmed out and you walk into the kitchen and you don't initially know where the fridge is.

Cara: 36:05 I like that way better than this weird like wall mounted sideways situation. Um, it may have just never seen one and they're really cool, but I'm saying no to this trend. I don't think it needs to come back for any reason. It's not like aesthetically cool, it's just like different. Okay. Then the last one is sunk in tubs. So this is also similar to the convo Pitt in terms of like you have to go below the floor to get in the tub just like you did with the conversation pit and it looks more like a pool than it does a tub. Like, it looks kind of like a hot tub vibe that's like built into your floor. And I'm saying yes to this with one exception, no carpet because I know like a lot of houses that used to have this had like carpeted bathrooms, which is one of the most disgusting things I think has ever happened inside of homes.

Cara: 36:56 Um, no carpet in bathrooms, especially not around the tub, but I could totally see this with some cool title. I liked the builtin look. Um, it looks fancy like a pool. So I'm saying yes to this. I like it, but I also like a clawfoot so, and I also liked pink tubs now apparently. So I could see it going a lot of ways. But in terms of like a really lux like spa vibes, master bath, like yes to this trend, you guys have to let me know what you think about these because some of these are like weird. Some of them are cool. I want to know what everyone thinks. I want to know which one like divides everyone where like some people are. Yes. And some people are now. Um, so let me know your thoughts. You can leave a comment on the show notes post. You can DM me on Instagram. You can comment on Instagram, you can use #makespacepodcast. However you want to let me know. Let me know cause I want to know what you think. These are crazy. Some of them the, yeah, that's it for episode number three. I will talk to you guys later. Oh, I'm mama wait,

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