Lighting is intimidating — and for good reason: it can make or break a room.
Cara dishes on the full how-to for lighting design including why lighting can transform a room better than a coat of paint, tips for planning out the lighting in your space, and how to choose fixtures to create a vibe + set the mood for your space.
Time to chat lighting — lighting design is understandably intimidating: it can make a HUGE impact on the space and can get pretty involved if you're hiring pros to install or rewire. I'm sharing my essential tips for planning out lighting in your space so you can tackle lighting design like a pro and pick fixtures easily.
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step 01: FUNCTION — determine the types of light you need in your space
- Task Lighting — You need lighting in certain areas to help people perform certain tasks: i.e. a reading lamp for reading in your fave chair, pendants over the island for food prep / serving, etc.
- Ambient Light — You need overall illumination so people can see where they’re going in the room. This is the general lighting that permeates the room.
step 02: VIBE — you can set the vibe in a room in three ways
- Overall light level — this can strongly influence the mood. i.e. a brightly lit space is positive and upbeat and a darker space feels more intimate and romantic
- Fixtures — the style of the fixtures you choose sets a vibe, whether that’s sleek & modern or more rustic & vintage-y
- Mood lighting — accents of light in a space that don’t really have a purpose except to add a dramatic touch and set the vibe. I.e. lighting a plant to cast light & shadows or spotlight artwork
step 03: VARIETY & HARMONY — How your lights work together + add interest
- Lighting elements must all work together in to space to help with the function of the space and also create a mood — Great lighting works together, but also has variety
- One of the biggest mistakes people make with lighting is monotonous lighting
HOW TO ADD VARIETY WITH YOUR LIGHTING:
you want your light to be varied, but harmonious.
- Use different types of lighting for different tasks — might be brighter / dimmer for certain tasks and also might be pointed or more ambient
- Have illumination flow in different directions — some fixtures might cast light downward, others might cast upward (like some lamps with shades open at the top) and others might give off light in all directions.
- Position light fixtures at different heights — talked about this in powder bath design project when I added lamp for eye level light at mirror
- Use different intensity of illumination in different parts of the room — some areas might be brighter and others dimmer (like around the tv
Formula 01 — Length of Room + Width of room = Diameter of chandelier in inches: i.e. 18 ft + 11 ft = 29" diameter or width of chandelier
Formula 02 — 2/3 and 3/4 of that width or diameter of your table
Height — hang the chandelier 30-36" above the table top for 8ft ceilings, add 3 inches above the table for each additional foot of ceiling
Formula 01 — Width/Diameter of the surface - 12 = Maximum limit for width/diameter of a hanging light in inches.
Height — hang about 28-34" above the surface — i.e. an island
Spacing — about every 2 feet
- Small islands (4-5 ft long) can take 1 large or 2 medium pendants
- Large islands (6+ ft.) can handle 2 large or 3 medium pendants
bathroom vanity lighting
Length of fixture/bath bar light— about 75" of the width of the mirror, centered over the sink
Sconces — mount at eye level (usually 65" above the floor), width: 36-42" apart
what i'm loving this week
Plug-in Sconce Lights — These let you achieve a higher-level of light without calling in a professional to install. They just mount on the wall, then plug into an outlet.
Perfect for small spaces where table lamps don't fit, and perfect for adding a higher level of light into your space for variety.
stuff we just need to talk about
We're talking about some lighting trends that are popular like gold finishes, sputnik chandeliers, and big fixtures. Which of these trends are you here for and which ones are just not your style — let us know!!
let's talk about it!
What do you think of these lighting trends — are you rocking any in your house? Which trends are you skipping and waiting for something else to come into vogue?
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EP 05 TRANSCRIPT
...just in case you wanna read
Cara: 00:00 You're listening to the makespace podcast. Episode Number Five.
INTRO: 00:22 Welcome to make space a home design show made to inspire you to create spaces you truly feel at home in Cara Newhart. Sits down with amazingly brilliant guests for conversations that dive deeper than pen worthy rooms to tease out the essentials of creating spaces that feed your soul and inspire your creativity from home design strategies to decor, advice to interior design, tips and tricks. These conversations help you dream up a beautifully lived in home. Cara is the designer and chief creative enthusiast behind. Never skipped French. Her work has been featured in print publications like people style watch and Denver Style magazine as an influencer. Cara has collaborated with brands like Amazon, h and m, Twitter and Thrillist. Here's your host, Cara Newhart.
Cara: 01:20 Welcome back to Make Space. This is Cara and in today's episode we are talking all about lighting one oh one how to nail your lighting, design, choosing fixtures, pleading lighting, and so much more. But first let's talk about that new new.
Cara: 01:39 So what we have new this week is a listener feedback form. So you guys can ask questions, suggest topics or requests to guest. This was highly requested and very needed for the podcast. So you guys can get in touch with me and let me know your thoughts. Um, besides just social media, because I know a lot of you like social dms, but if you want a more official place, um, you can had to never skip brunch.com/talk and let me know what you think. If you have a great question, we'll answer it in an episode. We might even take your idea and do a full topic, so be sure to use that if you have something to say. And then the other little update is that you can find your favorite episode just by typing in, never skipped [inaudible] dot com slash the number. So like dash four would be episode number four.
Cara: 02:31 So if there's an episode you love and you want to pull it up really fast, that is how to find it. Okay. So today it is just me behind the mic. This topic, you guys ask questions all the time because as a photographer, for me, lighting is like front and center. In designing a room, I add light in every room basically that I redesigned and I've talked a little bit about it in past projects, but I get a lot of questions from you about lighting and a lot of you are intimidated really. Um, which is something that I guess just having a background like studying lighting, um, it comes really naturally to me, but I can totally understand why it's kind of one of those tough topics to dive into. Um, it can be intimidating because it's so important. Like it can literally make or break a room.
Cara: 03:22 And the other reason is that if you're redoing your lighting, if there's rewiring required or light installation, it's definitely one of those things that you do not want to DIY. Um, because you really need a trained professional to do it. Like you're messing with electricity and it can be a fire hazard. So it is one of those things that like people just generally know less about. I think because it's something that you usually outsource. So I wanted to dive into this today and just talk about kind of thinking of lighting in your space in a more cohesive way. Um, basically lighting is a system that acts together to produce kind of a desired result and a mood within your room. So most people don't really think about it like that. They kind of consider individual fixtures, whether or not they want like smart lights or dimmers and then they might match the finish so they look cohesive.
Cara: 04:18 But in terms of like your everyday person, DIY and their lighting, I don't think there's a lot of thought that goes into like let's look at the whole room and think about lighting as like a cohesive system where all the lights are going to work together and play off each other. So I just wanted to kind of get you started thinking about this because it's something that can really, really change a room, um, for not a lot of money, like adding a couple lamps, um, or even adding like a mirror and kind of bouncing the natural light around is something that can totally change the vibe of your space. And it doesn't really cost that much. It's like really better than a coat of paint. Everyone's always talking about how like paint is the cheapest way to transform a room. [inaudible] I think lighting is even better.
Cara: 05:03 It can have even better results in terms of brightening a space, setting a mood. And if you really make good use of natural light, it's free. So, okay, so today we're talking about how to think about lighting as a cohesive system and some tips for how to light your space like a designer would if a designer was to kind of walk in your space and design your lighting for you. So let's first dive into how to plan your lighting. So there are three basic things that go into like planning lighting. Number one is function. So this basically you start by thinking about the types of lighting that you need in your space. So you're going to need lighting in certain areas to help people perform certain tasks. So like a reading lamp for your favorite chair or pendants over the island for food prep in serving.
Cara: 05:56 So this type lighting is called task lighting. It is specific to doing a certain activity in the room. So you need to think about what activities you do in that room and what kind of lighting you need for that. The second part of this kind of function and the type of lighting is ambient light. So ambient light is basically the overall illumination in a space. Um, so people can see where they're going in the room, but also it's just the general lighting that permeates the room. So in terms of the actual lights in your room, this is going to be like the overhead lights, or if you have kind of a smaller light that just emits light in all directions. So it's kind of like the overall light in the room versus like a specific pointed light that you're gonna use to illuminate a different activity, if that makes sense.
Cara: 06:50 So in planning lighting, we sit down and think about like, what are we going to do in the space? Do we need any specific lights or task lights for that? And then what is the overall illumination needs to look like if you are in a basement with no windows, the overall illumination, you're going to have to have a lot more lights to give you like a daylight look. So you're not just sitting in a cave. But if you're in a space of a ton of natural light, um, and at night you don't mind that it's gonna be dimmer and you're going to be using only task lights. You might not need a ton of overhead lighting for that space. So think about the function of your room and the kind of lights you need. Okay. So the second part of planning lighting is thinking about the vibe.
Cara: 07:34 When you're thinking about function, you're thinking about the light that you need. But in terms of vibe, this is more the light that you want. You can set the vibe in a room with the light basically in three different ways. So first you have the overall light level. So this can really strongly influence the mood. For example, a brightly lit space feels positive and upbeat while a darker space is going to feel more intimate and romantic. So you might already know how you want your space to feel, but if you don't, I'm a really good example is say you're going to go get a massage and in the room, like you want that to be dim and dark and relaxing. If you go in and there's like some bright like medical fluorescent light, that's going to be like no fun for anyone. So you probably already have like experienced this throughout your daily life in terms of how light can affect your mood and affect the overall vibe of a space.
Cara: 08:32 But if you haven't, um, it's something to give some thought to. Just think about like how you want to feel when you're in the room. Do you want it to be a space where you're relaxing and unwinding or do you want it to be a space that feels bright and awake and somewhere where you're engaged? Um, so the overall light level is the first thing to think about how bright or dark do you want the whole room to be. The second thing when you're setting a vibe for this space is to think about fixtures. So the style of fixtures you choose is gonna set a vibe regardless of the actual light they're giving off. So whether that's like a sleek and modern look or a more rustic look or Vintagey, um, you want to think about the style of the actual fixture and how that's going to set a vibe in your space.
Cara: 09:21 So what is your style for the room? Um, what do you want that to look like? And then number three, for setting the vibe is mood lighting. So mood lighting is basically accents of light in a space that don't really have a purpose except to add a dramatic touch and set the vibe. So this would be like lighting, um, a spotlight on your artwork or shining a light through a plant to cast shadows and like make it really interesting. So moonlighting is there to set the vibe. It's there to add interest. It's not like task lighting where you need a specific light, um, for something to be well lit. This is just like literally to set the mood. So those are the three things you can think about in terms of setting the vibe in your space with lighting. Okay, so we have function, what light do you need, vibe, what light do you want?
Cara: 10:14 And now variety. Um, and this, I'll take it a step further and say cohesive variety, which is you want the lights to be able to work together as kind of a system, but you want variety, you don't want like straight up the same kind of light. So lighting elements all have to work together in a space to help with the function of the space and also create a mood they need to be able to play off of each other. So one of the biggest mistakes that I see people making with lighting is monotonous lighting. So, so this is lighting that is basically just all the same. Maybe it's all top down, maybe it's all the same style of lamp that emit light in the same way. But this is really easy to do when you're buying lighting because maybe you're buying things that are on sale, but you want the light in your space to work together.
Cara: 11:04 But also to have variety so it's not just the same straight flat lighting. So here's some tips for adding variety with your lighting. So number one is to use different types of lighting for different tasks. So not all of that task lighting needs to be the same kind of lamp. Like each task is a little bit different and it might require brighter or dimmer late for certain tasks. And it also might be more pointed or more ambient. So thinking about how different task can utilize different light in this space is going to help, um, give you some variety. So tip number two is to have illumination flow in different directions. So different fixtures are going to cast light differently. Some is going to be really pointed like a spotlight. Someone's going to be a lot more ambient, some casts it upwards, some downwards, some from all angles.
Cara: 12:00 So you have to look at the fixture that you're using and think about how it casts light. So for a lamp, um, usually there's a circle in the shade on the top and the bulb is actually facing upwards. So while it kind of emits light through the shade, a lot of the light is going upward through the top and then also downward. And then for a light like a candlelight, it's facing downward. So think about how light is being cast in the space. And you want to have a variety, like you want some lights to Castlight downward, some lights to shoot an upward, some lights to shoot it, like sideways. So this is something that isn't that hard to figure out. Basically you can just turn on the light and see which direction the light is going. So it's not really hard to figure out.
Cara: 12:48 It's just not something we think about a lot in terms of like making sure we have a variety of directions for the light to be flowing in. Okay. Tip Number three is to position your light fixtures at different heights. I talked about this a lot in the powder bath redesign project. Um, when I added a lamp for some eye-level light at the mirror. So the one fixture in the room is above the sink and it is kind of up high and it's casting some top down light. But I was talking about how it's important at the mere to have some direct light onto people's faces so that you can see better. It's not just like a shadowy face if you've ever been in like a bar bathroom with just like top down light and everything's like very shadowy and dark. I wanted there to be light at eye level at the mirror.
Cara: 13:37 So I put like this really small lamp on the shelf. Um, so that's just one example. But overall like look at your space and try to think about how light can go in different heights. So maybe that means a table lamp, maybe it means some floor lanterns with flicker candles, maybe some mid level light with a lamp or a lantern on a shelf. Um, so the easiest way to do this in terms of different heights is to look at the room in the dark and see where the dark spots are that it might be good to eliminate. So turn on some of the lights and then look for like a shadowy corner or an area that has a lot of shadows from like top down light and then just add some light into that area. So a lot of like the specifics when it comes to light positioning is going to be a little bit of trial and error.
Cara: 14:24 So obviously not when it comes to like installing lights and hiring an electrician, but in terms of like moving lanterns, placing lamps, all of that is going to be just move it around and see what looks best in the space. And it's going to be trial and error. But there's not really a right answer because it depends on what you want the space to feel like and the specific activities that you are doing in this space. So that's how a is going to light a room is they're going to do it for you and try to like look at your lifestyle and the style of things you like and think about how to incorporate both of those into the light design. Okay. Then the last tip for adding variety is to use different intensities of illumination in different parts of the room. So some areas might be brighter like over by your reading chair or in the kitchen where you really want to be able to see what you're doing.
Cara: 15:18 Um, and then some areas might be dimmer, like around the TV, you don't necessarily need like a ton of light. So variety means that the whole room is not lit exactly evenly. It's lit according to what you're doing in the space and it's lit in a way that's interesting and conveys a mood. So that means some areas don't need to be all brightly lit, like a little dark corner that no one is going to be using at night. Doesn't need to have a huge bright lamp. But if that lamp is going to radiate light into the space and kind of set the mood, then maybe it lamp should go there. So that's kind of how you think through planning out lighting in your space according to how you use the room. And it all boils down to the fact that you want your light to be varied but harmonious.
Cara: 16:06 You want it to work together to create that vibe. Okay, so that is like light planning one-on-one. I hope that was super helpful. Um, now we have to talk about kind of the second side of the coin when it comes to light and that's understanding light color because in addition to how much light and where the light is, this really impacts your space. So different light has different colored temperatures. You might already know all about this, but if you don't, it's actually measured using the Kelvin scale. And No, this is not a science lesson. You totally don't even need to know that, but I'm just telling you because if you want to Google Kelvin scale, they have some really helpful graphics that show you kind of the color spectrum, like a little gradient from yellow to white to blue. So if you're a visual person like me and you kind of need something to look at, just Google Kelvin scale and you'll be able to see kind of what I'm talking about.
Cara: 17:03 So basically you have on one side yellow or warm light. And then in the middle you have white. And then on the other side you have blue or cool light. So you might've noticed this when you go to buy bulbs, there'll be labeled like warm white and that falls on the yellow side. And then they have like a cool white, which falls somewhere in the middle around the white part. And then daylight. Another Bob option is more on the bluish side. So we use this a ton in photography in terms of balancing, they call it the white balance and making sure your pictures are kind of like the right color. So you might've noticed this if you ever tried to take a photo at night, maybe like Christmas photos around the Christmas tree at night and it comes out super yellow, like just really, really yellow, really orangy.
Cara: 17:52 So that is because you're on that yellow side of the Kelvin spectrum. The color temperature of those lights at night is going to be more yellow. Um, also if you've heard of blue light glasses, so blue light glasses are blocking those bluer tones of light. So basically like more yellowish tones are produced at sunrise and sunset, which is why it's called Golden Hour. And then in noon and broad daylight has more bluish tones. So our bodies are used to that yellow light when it's time to sleep. So the blue light can be disrupting. So that's just a fun fact about how light color can impact your daily life. But not only does it affect your photos and your rem cycle, it also affects us in terms of setting the tone in a room. So because those yellowish tones are associated with waking up and going to sleep, a room with yellow tones is going to feel warmer.
Cara: 18:49 Cozy may be even more relaxed. If you're at the spa, they'd probably have like dim yellow lights going on in the lounge. Um, a room with blueish lights, it's going to feel more awake and alert. More like high noon, broad day light. For example, in your office you probably don't have warm cozy lights. It's probably blue, harsh, um, or even greenish fluorescent lights to keep you awake and gave you working. Okay. So all this to say that light color really can impact how his face looks. Not only does it impact how you feel in this space, it also can impact the color. Like if you choose a blue for the walls and then you have really yellow light, that blue might cast green, which is also why you need to bring a sample of paint home to try out on the actual wall that you want to paint because you have to see how the light reflects and works with it.
Cara: 19:42 So basically you need to choose the tone of light that helps you achieve the mood and function that you're going for. If you like warm, cozy yellow tones, make sure to pick a warm white bulb. If you like the daylight more bluish Hughes, then go for a cool white light bulb. And also remember that incandescent bulbs, which is like the classic Edison Light Bulb are more yellowish. And then led bulbs used to be more bluish, but now they come in a variety of tones so you can get a warm white, um, or a more yellowy colored led bulb. Okay. Then the final thing I want to talk about in terms of light is light size. So basically the only rule when it comes to light size is that it should be in proportion to the rest of the room. If you have a small room, you're not going to obviously hang a giant chandelier and if you have a large room, you're going to want to put some large fixtures in there so they don't look like they're just swallowed up by the room.
Cara: 20:43 So I am going to put some tips in the show notes in terms of like pendant lights and bathroom lighting and spacing and all of that. Because that way you can just kind of pick the specific lighting you're looking for and get some tips on it. But let's just talk about the most common situation is what size chandelier do I buy. So there's actually a super handy formula, which is you just take the link of the room plus the width of the room, and that is going to be the width of your chandelier in inches. So if your room is 18 feet long and 11 feet wide, that's 29 so 29 inches is the width of your chandelier. So either on one side it needs to be 29 inches. If it's like a rectangle chandelier or it's going to be the circumference. So if you're going to get like a circular, you're going to measure across the circle and that should be 29 inches in order to fit your room. So there's the handy-dandy chandelier formula. Check the show notes for some more like specific tips when it comes to spacing and all of that for different lights.
Speaker 4: 22:00 [inaudible]
Cara: 22:02 hashtag obsessed
Cara: 22:08 okay. So what I'm loving this week is conveniently related to our lighting discussion but I am obsessed with wall hanging sconces that plug in, uh, use some of these in the mudroom design project if you caught that. But basically they mount on the wall with screws and then just plug into an outlet so you can get light at a higher level and kind of like built in looking without having to rewire or pay someone to install them. So for the mud room, I actually hit the cord along back behind some frames on a picture shelf and I plugged them into an extension cord and then just ran like a small white extension cord down to the outlet on the wall. So it really blended in, you couldn't even tell. But there are also options where the cord is kind of cool and it is part of the vibe, the fact that there's a cord there.
Cara: 23:02 I'm an example of those is the one I actually made, which you can find a tutorial for on the blog of course, but it's basically a modern industrial Korbel scan, slight. It's pretty cheap to make. It uses a light from Ikea with like a metal cage and then the court of the lamp is black and white. So it's kind of made to be like some interesting texture in the space and an accent. And then you just get this like little core bowl, which is like a wood triangle. If you haven't seen one before and you attach the lamp to it with some staples and it hangs on the wall because it has a built in like picture frame, Nail Hook on the back of the Korbel. And it's so cute. You can like throw it up like you would hang a picture and plug it in and it looks great. It's in my living room. So if you want to make one, you can make one. Or if you want to shop the cute gold ones I used in the mud room, I will link that. Both of those things in the show notes.
Speaker 4: 23:59 [inaudible] wait, what?
Cara: 24:03 Okay. So let's just keep this lighting chat going with an article I found called seven top trends in interior lighting designed for 2019. So let's dive into these. And as always, I say take design trends with a grain of salt because there will always be another trend. And if you're chasing trends, you're not going to create a home you love. You're always going to feel like it's outdated and you need to change it. So if you hear a trend and you're like, man, that's really me, I should try that. Um, there's a good reason why a lot of people are into it probably cause it's cool, but if it's something that you're like, oh no, or I don't know, like don't jump in and don't take it on if you don't love it. And if it's not you, this is totally like the interior design version of like, just be yourself and do what makes you happy.
Cara: 24:56 But like, I mean it don't do a trend just cause it's a trend. Anyway. Trend number one is soft gold is the new popular finish. So basically if you know what like a brushed nickel looks like versus like a chrome, it's like a more muted metallic, it's not like super bright and shiny, but it's still metallic. Soft gold is basically the version of brush nickel, um, versus like bright shiny gold. So I love this one because I love anything gold. I'm so glad gold has finally come back and style. I love the warmth. Like I love that you can add a shiny metallic element but that it still feels warm. Um, so yeah, there's been apparently a spike in the popularity of soft tones versus like glitzy, shiny metallics. And I can see why I'm in love with this trend. I cannot wait to put it in my house.
Cara: 25:51 So then trend number two is that retro and industrial styles are coming back but a little more refined. So industrial has always been about like being rustic, but now we're seeing like a lot of sleek industrial, so like smaller profiles that look kind of cleaner and less like you found it out back in the barn or built it out of pipe. So this is encouraging because this type of industrial compare with modern versus the industrial that's been super popular. Um, because of like fixer upper, which is very farmhouse industrial. Um, so I like this. I think industrial style has a lot of character to it. So it's a great way to put old things in your house, but make them look not old. Like if you don't like and Tiki type stuff or the farmhouse vibe, you could still go industrial and it can pair with modern decor really well.
Cara: 26:49 And then there's those fun lamps that are like, there's little arms going in all direction and it looks like a starburst. I feel like they're called Sputnik lamps, but that might not be true at all. So like mid Mod vibe stuff is back and it's now modern, rough retro and it looks great and I'm here for it. So then vintagey style Edison Bulbs, which are fun because first of all they're super warm. Like I put one of these in the sconce lamp when I built it and it's so yellowy. But it's great because we turn that on at night and so it's like a warm glow. Um, but the Edison style bulbs are really interesting cause you can see like the filaments and so even if your fixture is pretty simple it, it lets the bulb do the talking for the lights I use in the mudroom, that's exactly what they are.
Cara: 27:39 It's literally just like a gold l shaped kind of plain, more simple fixture. And then it has an Edison bulb that adds a little personality. And I am in love number four, mid century modern and art deco are making a comeback. So I love everything mid Mod. But what I like most about these is that they have clean lines and they're relatively simple but they're still super interesting. Like very geometric, very, they have a lot of personality but there's not a lot of like glitz and nonsense as with some traditional things. Like, it's, you're not going to have a chandelier that's like decked out in crystals. It's going to be a little more unique, a little more artistic. So of course I gravitate to this style. So number five is less clutter, cleaner lines. So this one, yeah, it's like ties into the mid mod and art deco stuff.
Cara: 28:36 But also like modern decor period is based mostly on clean forms. Like things are sleek, things are simple. Um, there's not a lot of excessive ornamentation. And I kinda like that. Like I like, I guess it's in tune with the minimalist vibe, which I am by no means a minimalist. I have tried, I like my ideas out where I can see them in the form of things apparently. Cause I cannot really get on board with hyper minimalism. But I do like it in terms of design. Like I like the simple clean lines of it. Sometimes it just looks good to have something that's modern and clean versus crazy and distracting. Number six, LEDs are getting cheaper, which is great. Um, because they're more energy efficient, but also because they have so many uses. Like now that they're not just bluish or when they first got invented, I think they were only available in red, but now, I don't know.
Cara: 29:37 LEDs are great because they are not hot. You can put them like your cabinets. They have a ton of led smart lighting options. Like I literally bought a, it was like a ribbon, so like rope lighting is like round ribbon lighting is like flat and it was sticky on one side and it was a smart light that I can control with Alexa and my phone. And it was like a 16 foot strip for $14 on Amazon, which I will try to remember to link in the show notes. But holy crap. Yeah, they are getting cheaper because now you can have like a whole smart home that's super affordable and not just like buying the lights. Then they're like more efficient. So you get a lot of savings in terms of energy costs. So yeah, Yay for led is getting cheaper. And then trend number seven is bigger is better.
Cara: 30:25 So for certain areas in people's houses they are preferring larger fixtures. So basically they're using fixtures as like a wow factor as kind of the center of attention and kind of like a center piece. So probably the best example is over islands. If you've seen kind of big cagey or lantern like lamps, they can add a lot of personality to a kitchen. So I like them. I think if you do a large fixture that is one of those simple ones with clean lines or like an artsy geometric or interesting vibe that can be a really great asset to this space because it's big. But it's simple like what you don't want to do is go big and have it be crazy loud, distracting, complicated, taking up all the attention in this space. So I guess my tip for this is if you want to use larger fixtures, go simple, make sure you're using them in a large enough area.
Cara: 31:25 Like you still don't want them to be out of proportion to the rest of the room, but you can go a little bigger like versus those tiny little pin headed pendant lights. You could do like a cool land turny one or go a little bigger in the entryway. The entryway is where you can get away with like crazy lighting because it's like a wow factor when people are entering, but they don't have to like sit in the room and look at it the whole time because they're just passing through. So if you want to go bold or go crazy, I would say experiment in your entryway, not in the space that you are living in until you really know what you want. But yeah, let me know about these design trends. Um, what you think. I think it's so funny because when I pick these articles, like it's clearly just things I'm into because I'm just like, yes and I love it and I love it. But if you don't love it, tell me why or tell me why you choose something different in your house. Um, because obviously as I said before, trends are trends. There'll be another one soon. So if these aren't for you, just hold tight, there's more coming around the corner. But let me know on social, fill out that listener feedback form so I can hear from you and I'll see you next week. Oh,
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